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    Desigur altfel ar fi fost situatia daca seful m-ar fi vazut carand greutati, zugravindu-mi casa sau petrecandu-mi weekend-ul pe o partie de schi!

  235. Nemira spune:

    Si ince ceva, dle Corneliu!

    Eu nu am experienta dvs de munca – nici pe departe.
    Dar pot sa va spun ca si in liceu si in facultate si la locul de munca, erau cunoscuti cei cativa care mereu apareau cu scutiri la orele de sport, apoi deveneau subit bolnavi in toiul examenelor, si mai tarziu, la locul de munca, mereu aceleasi persoane, isi luau concediu medical de Paste sau Craciun sau de fiecare data cand ceva nu le convenea la locul de munca.

    Sunt convinsa ca in activitatea dvs de 27 de ani, ati intalnit o multime de astfel de specimene. Tocmai pt astia e facuta legea in niciun caz pt cei care se afla in situatia dvs. Si puteti sa scrieti ce doriti, eu sunt 100% convinsa ca daca dvs intr-adevar suferiti de boala descrisa, nicio comisie din lumea asta nu va va acuza de inselatorie!

  236. Nemira spune:

    dle corneliu

    Ati inteles exact pe dos. Ati prezentat ca realitate o simpla prezumtie a dvs.
    Nu este vb de boala dvs in sine ci de faptul ca, in cazul dvs, nu cred ca aveti a va teme de vreun control. Boala dvs nu este una care poate fi simulata si nici una care sa va permita activitati ca cele pt care unii ticalosi isi iau concediu medical (adica sa-si renoveze casele, sa mearga la schi sau sa colinde seara barurile).

    Dvs v-ati prezentat deja ca o viitoare si9 clara victima, ca si cum ati fi deja arestat la domiciliu sau invinuit ca inselati statul sau patronul printr-o boala inchipuita.

    Ideea mea a fost foarte clara iar daca n-ati inteles-o, nu cred ca este problema mea.

  237. Gabi spune:

    Doar cine nu a fost bolnav de anumite boli ca de exemplu, accidente vasculare, boli neurologice, de oase… nu intelege ca e nevoie de mers la controale, investigatii medicale sau recuperare, deci bolnavul trebuie sa plece de acasa.Cum poate, daca merge pe jos, cu atat mai mult e de admirat.

  238. ciNicu spune:

    Se pare ca e pe cale sa apara un nou termen: „concediu medical sub control judiciar”. Frumoasa tara….

  239. Gabriela spune:

    in capitolul „nimeni nu se gandeste” intra si autorii/executantii legii care prevede ca un om cu piciorul TAIAT trebuie sa se prezinte anual la control la comisia care-i certifica handicapul??

  240. corneliu spune:

    Stimata Nemira. Eu nu am dat un exemplu aberant ci am descris situatia mea. Cat priveste vaitatul de dimineata pana seara tin sa-ti spun ca in 27 ani de munca nu am avut nicio zi de concediu medical. In textul avansat de Ministerul Sanatatii, text pe care il vei gasi pe site-ul lor nu se fac precizari vis a vis de faptul ca bolnavii ce sufera de anumite maladii ar fi exceptati de la acest control. Faptul ca tie ti se pare logic ca „Nimeni nu se gandeste sa verifice un om pe a carui fisa medicala scrie ca are cancer, operatie la colon sau tratament cu citostatice si chimioterapie” nu presupune ca functionarul roman va face apel la logica si la bun simt atunci cand isi va stabili tintele vanatorii sale. In rest iti doresc sanatate pentru ca nu cumva sa fi nevoita sa ajungi in situatia de arestata la domiciliu.
    PS. Constat citind printre randuri dar observand si exprimarile explicite din majoritatea comentariilor ca de fapt ministerul a invins: pentru multi dintre dumneavoastra bolnav = infractor.

  241. Ella spune:

    Ati auzit de angajati care isi iau concediu medical pentru ca trebuie sa mearga la muncile agricole (prasit, cules, etc)? Ei bine, eu ma vazut nenumarate cazuri….Vi se pare corect? Daca are alt venit decat salariul, cred ca ar trebui sa faca un gest „nobil” si sa lase sa fie angajat cel care maninca numai din somaj sau nici de acolo! Dar lacomia este mare…

  242. dan spune:

    Sint foarte de acord cu Nemira,exista foarte multi lenesi care se imbata seara si se scot cu un medical care stim toti ca se da cu 30-50/ziua.Asa ca ar cam fi cazul sa ne apucam de munca…….ca statul niciodata si niciunde nu iti da,numai iti ia

  243. Nemira spune:

    Exemplul dat de cititorul respectiv e aberant. Nimeni nu se gandeste sa verifice un om pe a carui fisa medicala scrie ca are cancer, operatie la colon sau tratament cu citostatice si chimioterapie.
    Celui care, Doamne fereste, sufera de asa ceva, nici prin gand nu-i trece sa fenteze munca. Dimpotriva, ar da absolut orice ca sa poata sa mearga din nou la lucru.

    Dar exemplele astea „extremiste” au devenit deja un „brand” al romanului care se vaita si dimineata si la amiaza si seara, ca, in gandul lui, precis are motive!

  244. Nemira spune:

    In Occident se practica de mult aceasta metoda. Desigur nu la nivel de stat ci la nivel de – patron.
    Adica patronii au tot dreptul sa angajeze firme de detectivi care sa urmareasca persoanele care se afla in concediu medical.
    Daca de exemplu iti iei concediu medical pt ca te doare spatele, seful te poate verifica. Iar daca te prinde ca in perioada concediului tu iti zugravesti casa sau cari cu roaba ciment ca sa-ti asfaltezi garajul, patronul te poate da afara.
    La fel, daca esti in concediu medical din cauza de gripa si detectivii te prind seara consumand alcol intr-un bar, te poate da afara.
    Cheltuielile nu sunt atat de mari. Detectivul iti cere poate 50 euro pe ora si in cateva ore iti vine cu dovada.
    Un angajat bolnav, timp de o saptamana, costa de 10 ori mai mult.

    Mai ales ca aceste controale se fac „cu tinta” precisa. Niciun patron nu-si verifica secretara care isi ia concediu medical o data la 5 ani de zile.
    Aceste masuri se iau impotriva celor care la fiecare 2-3 luni isi gasesc cate-o „buba” pt care stau acasa cate 3-4 zile.

  245. pif spune:

    va agitati degeaba. pitoresc si provincial, da, dar totusi degeaba. treaba asta se aplica in vest de mult. da, exista multi oameni care si acolo isi iau concediu medical de-a-n pulea. si acolo oamenii chiar au teama de aceste controale.

  246. babanul spune:

    Sorry guys, dar trebuie sa va spun ca aceeasi lege exista in mai toate tarile europene, si se refera strict la fraudarea bugetului de asigurari sociale de catre „bolnavi inchipuiti”. Zilele trecute o colega care era in concediu medical si care era chemata la un interviu pentru un job mai bun a refuzat sa se duca tocmai pentru ca trebuia sa stea acasa si nineni s anu poata dovedi ca a parasit domiciliul….

  247. sorge spune:

    Aceasta lege nu este facuta sa rezolve ceva ci trebuie sa scoata fum si ceata ,ca sa ami cistige cei cu pensiile de la 20.000 de lei in sus .Sa cistige timp .
    Pensia de 3-4.000 de lei pt un colonel de armata nu este mare si nici 7-8.000 de lei pt un general de armata .
    Anomaliile se petrec la SERVICII .
    Degeaba incearca sa le bage impreuna ,securitatea are pensii de 2 si de 3 ori mai mare decit armata .
    Noroc ca partidistii lui Ceausescu s au cam dus la ceruri si oricum nu le dadea Iliescu un maxim posibil .

  248. Gabriela spune:

    Abia astept sa vad comisia mixta constituita din angajati ai Ministerului Sanatatii si conducerii centrala a politiei care va face deplasarea in vederea verificarii acestui bolnav…. ce indrazneste sa aiba plimbari din ce in ce mai lungi http://danielraduta.ro/?p=526#comments

  249. Gabriela spune:

    Legea e o aberatie…
    Sunt boli in care exista indicatia medicala „lungi plimbari pe jos”. Va trebui ca respectivul bolnav sa-si anunte programul zilnic de plimbare/stat la coada la medicul de familie/farmacie?
    Ca bolnav ce necesita sedere la pat/administrare medicament/supraveghere de catre un tert, nu poti alege sa locuiesti pe perioada respectiva la mama/prieten?

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