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Refuzul premierului Grindeanu de a demisiona dovedește că în PSD există nu doar vietăți unicelulare, ci și o evoluție de-a dreptul darwinistă, care va duce, într-un final, la apariția coloanei vertebrale la cât mai mulți membri de partid. Deja unii lideri pesediști, mai evoluați, au demonstrat acest lucru, fapt pentru care au și fost excluși sau marginalizați de Dragnea și paramecii din subordine. Că PSD nu este totuși un partid de nevertebrate o dovedesc luările de cuvânt curajoase din ultimele zile, ale unor oameni precum primarul Iașiului, Chirică, și europarlamentarul Cătălin Ivan, care a avut amabilitatea de a acorda un interviu.

Domnule europarlamentar, cum se vede de la Bruxelles situația actuală din România?

La Bruxelles, toată lumea este siderată. Nu s-a mai întâmplat niciodată, nu există un precedent ca un prim-ministru să fie schimbat fără niciun motiv, fără nicio situație gravă care să declanșeze o criză guvernamentală, pur și simplu un guvern dinamitat de propriul partid doar din cauza unui președinte de partid care, din motive personale greu de înțeles decide să schimbe premierul. E o criză care a venit de nicăieri, fără să aducă nimic bun pentru România, iar așa ceva aici, la Bruxelles, este greu de explicat.

În ședința de miercuri a conducerii PSD s-a votat în unanimitate împotriva lui Grindeanu. A fost bun șase luni și dintr-o dată nu mai e bun?

Din păcate, în PSD, în epoca lui Liviu Dragnea totul se bazează pe unanimitate. A reușit să instaureze un sistem de control, de frică, de amenințare, de șantaj, astfel încât toți cei care vor să aibă proiecte finanțate, fie primari de comună, fie primari de orașe, fie președinți de consilii județene, plus cei care vor să beneficieze de Fondul pentru Dezvoltare Locală, care se află sub semnătura lui Sevil Shhaideh, deci a lui Liviu Dragnea, trebuie să tacă. Prin urmare, toți tac. Iar cei care nu tac au parte de tot felul de articole defăimătoare, menite să îi pună într-o lumină proastă. E o tactică bolșevico-comunistă care din păcate funcționează în acest moment în PSD, dar care trebuie să înceteze.

Toți miniștri PSD și ALDE au declarat că demisionează, dacă le-o cere Partidul. Să înțeleg că ar fi în stare să facă orice alte lucruri dacă le cere Partidul?

Până într-un anumit punct, este o atitudine corectă, pentru că partidul este cel care i-a pus acolo. Problema este ce se întâmplă în partid și cum ajunge partidul să ceară așa ceva, cum stă un partid întreg, cu sute de mii de membri, la pofta și cheremul unui singur om, care nu este nici cel mai frumos, nici cel mai deștept, nici cel mai bine pregătit și nici pe departe cel mai curat dintre toți membrii pe care îi are acest partid.

Ați fost și sunteți un opozant curajos – unul dintre puținii – ai lui Liviu Dragnea. De ce nu sunt mai mulți opozanți? Chiar nu văd restul membrilor PSD că Dragnea distruge, încet, dar sigur partidul?

Cred că vom fi mai mulți. Cred că s-a ajuns într-un punct în care este clar pentru toți membrii de partid că nu se mai poate. Dacă până acum Liviu Dragnea era, cel puțin în partid, era susținut și avea o anumită doză de încredere că acel program de guvernare se realizează, acum toți au înțeles că programul de guvernare este mort. Fiindcă tocmai Liviu Dragnea, cel care spunea că-l știe din scoarță-n scoarță, l-a omorât. Iar implicațiile pot fi multiple.

Are dreptate premierul Grindeanu când spune că această criză a fost declanșată de dorința unui om  de a avea toată puterea sau unii analiști politici, care susțin că de fapt este vorba doar despre o răfuială între două tabere din PSD?

Cel care are dreptate este Sorin Grindeanu. Liviu Dragnea își dorește puterea absolută nu doar în partid, ci și în România. El vrea să conducă Camera Deputaților, vrea să conducă partidul, vrea să conducă guvernul.

Credeți că moțiunea de cenzură va trece?

Înclin să cred că nu va trece. Sper să nu treacă. Vom vedea. Vom lucra și noi la asta, să nu treacă.

Dacă Dragnea rămâne lider absolut în PSD și după acest scandal, veți rămâne în PSD sau aveți de gând să formați un alt partid, cu dizidenții care încă mai cred în social-democrație și nu în cleptocrație?

Eu am proiectele mele personale. Sunt social-democrat, dar, dacă PSD continuă în acest ritm, cu Liviu Dragnea, Codrin Ștefănescu, Olguța Vasilescu, Gabi Firea, ca să nu mai vorbesc de Bădălău sau Stănescu, înseamnă că în mod natural va apărea o altă mișcare de stânga, un alt proiect, cu altă viziune și cu altă calitate a oamenilor care vor fi scoși în față. Și normal că mă voi alătura acelei formațiuni, fără să neg structura mea de politician de stânga.

Cum considerați că privesc oamenii care v-au votat situația absurdă în care un partid își dă jos prin moțiune propriul guvern?

Cred că sunt dezmăgiți. Cum pot să privească oamenii care au votat un program de guvernare și văd acum că omul care a girat programul de guvernare este cel care îl omoară? Cum pot fi acești votanți decât dezamăgiți? Bineînțeles că o parte din vină avem toți, cei  care în campanie am susținut acest program de guvernare și l-am susținut pe Liviu Dragnea. Cred că acum dezamăgirea este totală și în partid, în egală măsură, pentru că nu știu cum vom intra în următoarele alegeri explicând alegătorilor de ce succesul sau eșecul unui program de guvernare așa de important a depins de un singur om. De ce am lăsat noi, ditamai partidul, cu sute de mii de membri, ca un singur om să decidă ce se întâmplă cu un program de guvernare atât de important.

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