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Deși, judecând după ultimele evoluții, Partidul pare mai strâns ca niciodată în jurul conducătorului iubit și s-a transformat efectiv într-o mașină de vot, doar-doar l-o scăpa de gratii pe tovarășul din Gratia, în PSD există totuși voci – puține, ce-i drept, dar curajoase – care îndrăznesc să creadă nu neapărat în România, cum suna sloganul din campanie, ci în faptul că până la urmă rațiunea va triumfa. Unul dintre acești îndrăzneți este Cătălin Ivan, ale cărui opinii tranșante i-au atras ura și disprețul ciracilor lui Dragnea. În ciuda faptului că a devenit un fel de persona non grata în Partid, europarlamentarul nu acceptă să tacă, ci continuă să dea din casă sau, mai curând, din ”cosa nostra”.

 

Domnule Ivan păreți singurul din PSD care regretă demisia din partid a lui Sorin Moisă. Mai și sunt alții, dar o regretă în taină?

Cu siguranță nu sunt singurul din PSD care regretă plecarea lui Sorin Moisă. Sunt foarte mulți colegi care au lucrat cu el în Parlamentul European, dar am primit și multe mesaje din țară, de la colegi de partid și primari. Numai un iresponsabil sau cineva care nu dorește binele acestui partid ar putea privi cu detașare mesajul trimis de Sorin Moisă, atât cel scris cât și prin actul de demisie.

Primarul din Ciugud, comuna cu cea mai mare rată de absorbție a fondurilor europene a fost dat afară din PSD, Moisă a plecat și el, credeți că vor rămâne doar membrii cu cazier?

Primarul de la Ciugud este un membru de partid foarte valoros care, împreună cu alți primari și membri de partid, au ridicat câteva probleme corecte față de modul în care PSD este condus la Alba. Au plătit cu toții îndrăzneala de a-și spune punctul de vedere. Din câte știu eu, la Alba au fost dizolvate peste treizeci de organizații de partid, nedemocratic și nestatutar. Eu am convingerea că se vor întoarce după ce epoca Dragnea se va fi încheiat. Și, da, primarul de la Ciugud se bucură de o imagine foarte bună și de un respect deosebit din partea primarilor și colegilor de partid.

De ce nimeni din Partid nu suflă în fața lui Dragnea, deși văd și ei, după ultimele sondaje reale și după alegerile interimare din Ardeal, că PSD e în cădere totală în opțiunile de vot? E un sentiment de turmă sau pur și simplu sunt prea mulți complici de-ai lui în PSD?

Așa funcționează PSD. Nu sunt agreate convulsiile permanente în partid, așa cum se întâmplă în PNL. Partidul merge liniștit până la momentul Congresului și atunci decide. Sunt foarte multe voci extrem de critice împotriva lui Dragnea în partid. Inclusiv cei din jurul lui caută soluții pentru a-și păstra influența în partid după ce Dragnea nu va mai fi președinte. Practic, în acest moment, în PSD se discută foarte mult despre ce se va întâmpla după ce pleacă Liviu Dragnea, și prea puțin, spre deloc, despre Dragnea. În realitate, partidul s-a decuplat de Dragnea. În jurul lui mai sunt doar Codrin Ștefănescu, Olguța Vasilescu și încă vreo doi, toți, ca și Dragnea, veniți de fapt de la alte partide.

Demisia lui Sorin Moisă a fost urmată de un val de înfierări proletare, din partea liderilor PSD. Olguța a spus că Moisă era doar un ”securist mititel”. Să înțeleg că în Partid au rămas securiștii măricei?

Olguța Vasilescu trebuie privită doar în contextul în care îl apără pe Liviu Dragnea. Ca și Codrin Ștefănescu, face parte din grupul celor câțiva, veniți din afară partidului, care au încercat să țină captiv PSD pentru a-și atinge propriile obiective personale. Membrii de partid au început să înțeleagă pericolul, iar deznodământul nu poate fi decât debarcarea acestora și aducerea partidului pe drumul normal, firesc, al unui partid de stânga democratic și european.

De ce, când un pesedist spune adevărul și arată realitatea existentă, nu cea din „statul paralel” în care trăiesc Dragnea și ciracii lui, este înfierat ca fiind ”omul lui Cioloș”, ”omul lui Iohannis” sau, mai rău, ”omul lui Soroș”?

Cred că este un rest, un reziduu, de mentalitate comunistoida. Pe vremea regimului comunist, dacă nu erai fidel liderului suprem, erai trădător de neam și țara. Tot așa, astăzi, dacă nu ești de acord cu Liviu Dragnea, dacă nu-i susții trup și suflet goană sa din față justiției, ești catalogat drept trădător, sorosist sau securist.

PSD s-a transformat, în ultima vreme, în Partidul Bolșevic. Știm cine-i Stalin, mai ales că are și mustață, deci e ușor de identificat, dar ziceți-ne, vă rog, cine-i Beria, că nu ne-am dat seama?

Nu cred că PSD s-a transformat în Partidul Bolșevic. Cred că membrii de partid vechi, cu bun simț, echilibrați, cu o anumită decentă, au căzut victimele unei grupări dubioase venită din afara partidului, grupare care a deturnat total sensul existenței PSD. În acest moment, unii au plecat, alții s-au resemnat, și tot mai mulți aleg să lucreze la un nou proiect pentru PSD, în interiorul partidului. Dragnea nu poate fi asemănat cu Stalin, deși cred că nu l-ar deranja, cum nu cred că PSD ar putea fi asemănat cu Partidul Bolșevic. Lucrurile se vor lămuri foarte repede.

Credeți că există vreo șansă ca PSD să se reformeze din interior sau o să-l „reformeze” de tot urnele de vot, după modelul PNȚ?

Sunt șanse foarte mari ca PSD să se reformeze din interior pentru că are resursele necesare să o facă. Avem în partid oameni cu probitate morală, pregătire profesională, experiență politică și dorință de schimbare, necesare pentru a propune un nou proiect după ce Liviu Dragnea va pleca. Cred că experiența Liviu Dragnea a fost o lecție pentru acest partid. O lecție dură, menită să ne facă să înțelegem că niciodată nu este prea târziu să ne întoarcem la obiceiurile dictatoriale din vremea lui Ceaușescu. Vom crea mecanismele interne de autoreglare care să ne asigure că un accident de tipul Liviu Dragnea nu se va mai repeta.

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